March 11, 2009

  • Xanga Debate Tournament

    EDIT: VOTING CLOSES AT 11:00 AM EDT!  3/12
     

    Xanga Debate Tournament 
    ROUND 1 – DAY 2
    Round 1-Should we be allowed to Mass Message with such ease? 

    Well the xanga debate tournament is in full swing people.
    Yesterday TheBigShowAtUD and saintvi hosted the first two debates.
    Today I have the honor of hosting the tournaments along with 
    vanedave.

    Below are two opening statements and rebuttals.
    Please read the entire debate and then vote,
    not for the one with whom you agree,but for the one who, in your opinion,
    presents the strongest argument.
    Debaters were assigned both their topic and the stance they were to take,
    so the arguments presented are not necessarily their actual opinions.
    Debaters will remain anonymous.
    The first two rounds will be decided by public vote, only one per blogger please.


    The topic for this one:
    Should we be allowed to Mass Message with such ease? 

    Opening:
    3 Seed: (1) Mass Messaging (MM) is hated: there is an increasingly large contingent of bloggers who automatically delete—and sometimes even block—anyone who mass messages them. (2) MM is redundant: lots of xangans who mass message are losing friends and subscribers, and because the users deleted and/or blocked due to mass messaging belong to the group which most wants traffic, this completely defeats the purpose. (3) MM is hurtful,disrespectful: Have you ever gotten the bolded (1) next to your messages and been happy to have received mail from someone, only to open it and see it be mass? Doesn’t that feel like a betrayal, a let down? It is the promise of connection, of an interest in your person and expression shot down, and you are left feeling like just another number; which, to traffic whores, you are. (4) MM unnecessarily undermines Xanga’s unique qualities: Traffic-whoring creates a self-perpetuating parasite. Blogs and comments are written for pure footprint counts. It is a slap in the face of this community, something you’ll find nowhere else. There are far more legitimate channels for this; with mass messaging, the fine line between healthy self-promotion and spam is crossed.

    I do not propose that MM ought to be banned completely. However, it seems clear that some adjustment must be made. We are bloggers, we have things to say, and we are here to interact and learn, not to spend all our time and energy dealing with spam.

    14 seed: The topic of today’s debate is: “Should we be allowed to Mass Message with such ease?” My stance on this topic is: Yes. These are my reasons, 1)Mass Messaging enables Xanga as a whole to acknowledge an event (i.e the birthday of John), 2) Mass Messaging allows a Xanga user to make a statement to their friends, and subscribers, without using their blog, and 3) Mass Messaging allows a Xanga user to create the most hilarious kinds of drama.
    Better?

    Rebuttals:
    3 Seed:
    (1) John’s birthday was a lie; it was not even his birthday, it was Theo stirring up trouble as is his wont. Regardless, is John more loved through his users spamming and irritating each other or through receiving thoughtful personal messages? What about mass messaging is better for “acknowledging an event as a whole” than simply blogging? It only forces an event upon your users that they may not wish to have any part of. (2) What statement is so private it cannot be placed on a blog or pulse yet so public it ought to go to all one’s friends and subs? The main types of MM consist of the following: totally purposeless/intentionally annoying, impersonal audience-addressing messages, and blatant traffic-whoring. All of these are better not existing, as a blog, or as a pulse. The odds are high there is someone in your circle who hates mass messages; what statement is so important it’s worth spamming and losing friends and subs? (3) Here we are confronted with subjectivity. What is “most hilarious”? Which messages consist of this humor, and which don’t? Who considers drama hilarious? From a utilitarian standpoint, more users are negatively affected than positively so, and thus this must be rejected. At any rate, this is not an endorsement of humor/enjoyment, it is a weak excuse for spamming and trolling, an indulgence Xanga ought never endorse and which we should ask you to participate in elsewhere. The fact that mass messaging engenders drama is a stronger point for MM reform than against it.

    14 Seed: Point the first: Not all of a person’s friends and subsribers visit their site. I can attest to the fact (and I may get cyber-stoned for this), I don’t read all of the people I subscribe to. Therefore, if I had an important message that I needed ALL of my friends and subsribers to know (i.e. a username change, I will be leaving Xanga for a while, I will be leaving Xanga permanently (perish the thought!)), I would send them a message. Rather than go through my 200+ friends and send them each a personal message, I can write up the message, check the two boxes. And I’m done.
    Point the second: My response to your second rebuttal would very closely relate to my response to your first. Privacy is not a concern here. Any private information, most certainly should NOT be mass messaged. My point is that Mass Messaging allows for better communication. As I stated above, not every single person on a person’s friends list, subscriber’s list, etc. reads that person’s blog. However, they all read their messages. Case in point, into_the_lens (formerly baranorowen) changed her username, she sent an MM to everyone on her friend’s list announcing her name change, avoiding the confusion as to where baranorowen went.
    Point the third: I found the POOP MM, to be very fun. I found the LOVE MM to be very funny. Throughout that rash of MM’s, I laughed hilariously, deleted it, and moved on. You are very right, humor is subjective. I, personally, would laugh uproariously at something another person would find mildly amusing. Therefore, watching the drama on Xanga, to me, is quite entertaining. Which leads into another topic of, the misuse of the word drama…which I won’t address here. I don’t care to MM myself, but when I receive the MM’s I do get, I take them with a grain of salt, and keep a sense of humor throughout the whole issue.
    Thank you for this trading of idea’s.
    It is very…entertaining.

Comments (49)

  • Seed #3 wins this one for me. Topic taken seriously, with great arguments unlike seed #14. Seed #14 had the nuggets of great arguments, just didn’t didn’t nail them hard enough.

    So, Seed #3 for me!

  • This one is harder for me. I think 3 had a stronger original argument and strong rebuttal, but 14 had a better rebuttal (weak original argument due to the use of a false example: John’s birthday). I like that 14 pointed out the fact that they may not be defining drama in the same way.

    I say 3. I think.

    Yeah. 3.

  • @cmdr_keen - nuggets of good argument. Good one. That’s the way to say it.

  • Stronger points and rebuttals.. Seed #3

  • I prefer 14.

  • hahahaha,,, thats just mind boggling,,,, how do you debate something that is irrelevant?

    i saw the word drama tho a couple of times,,,,, drama?  on xanga?  hahahahahaha,,, i use it to learn useless trivia mostly,,,,

    drama sounds like a soap opera,,, never watched them,,,, never hope to,,,,

  • oh,,, and to see the neat pics,,,, like yours,,,,,

  • argh so hard to decide on this one >.<
    I’d go with seed 3.

  • #3 is my vote. If 14 had stated as well as the rebuttal, it would have been 14. 

  • I will have to go with 3 seed,,,,,,,,,,,then again the Bear does MM every once in a blue moon……good topic though as I have had many from ….DUH……..some freakin survey…………Have a great Thirsty Thursday

  • I’d have to go with 3.  They hammered it home from the word “go”.

  • #14 won due to their excellent rebuttal!

  • I think that 14 had the right idea, but the ideas just didn’t sing to me. And the opening statement was lackluster.

    3 hit hard, right from the get-go, and maintained strength throughout the rebuttal.

    Three.

  • I will go with number 14.

  • Ah, man, this one’s hard…uh,…I gotta read it again!

    14. Only because of that rebuttal.

  • I’m going to go with seed 3. The organization and presentation of the argument was full circle and made the most sense.

    Not that I necessarily agree, in fact, I could really care less about MMing.

  • Sheesh, 14 had a horrible opening, but I must say the rebuttal was good. Very light, but simple. 14 for me.

  • I’ll go with #3.

  • hmmm….argument one or argument two…one or two…

    I never heard of mass messaging before.  But it must be important with as many words as have been devoted to it here…

  • hmmm, let’s see – 14 minus 3 – times the square root of pie (w/ whipped cream) equals –YIKES!

  • 3

    @TheTheologiansCafe - You’re just saying that because 14 loves your mass message trouble, aren’t you?

  • I’ll be sure to push this in the morning.

  • @pamilvr - Where did you get that link?!

  • @Levanna - LOL -as i’ve been saying in a convo in my PM box -mission accomplished –whew – ‘least somebody enjoyed it……

    >

    HOLY SHIT!!! Is that link leading everybody to my inbox?

    ><

    you’re not serious, i hope..right?

    >

    Yeeah, I clicked on it and it took me to my inbox. Which leads me to this all important question, “HOLY SHIT!!! Is that link leading everybody to my inbox?”

    ><

    ….http://www.xanga.com/Private/MessagesMain.aspx
    will lead anyone to their own inbox…

    LOL

  • AND –my favorie msg of all time in response to the above,,,

    You need to die for that prank…a long, slow, painful death.

    k -i’mma sleep now –good belly laff makes me tired…

    and i didn’t even know it would BE a prank!

    Sorry Beth for clogging up your blog…

    but man – this was pretty cool -

    ya know -we’ve a pretty big bunch of xanans in the area – -people listen to you -i say we have a gathering..say somewhere around Doylestown?

  • I think some of the points were repeated and the rebuttals were weak. Saying more words just shows how disorganized the logic was in the begining.

    Fourteen did a good rebuttal and 3 tried hard to give a very biased argument that turned me off.

    Anyone can deny or block subscribers but usually when someone crosses the line it is usually more than over mass messaging….

  • I’m going with #14. And now I’m craving M&Ms.

  • 14 had a lot of sarcastic points; but those are for emotional appeal more than reasonable arguments.  So, that person lost points with me, I have to vote for 3.

    I liked the respect that both debaters showed in this debate very much!  Good job blogfriends =)
    justme
    cm

  • #3 had me from the start but #14 had a very strong rebuttal. My vote goes to #14.

  • rockin w/ the 3…

    D

  • I am not going to vote for one of the “seeds”…I am going to say that I am in the middle on this….some folks mass messages are worth reading some are barely worth the energy it takes to hit the delete button. I must admit that there have been a couple of folks that I have “unsubscribed” to because their mass messages were getting to be just way too much to deal with. Same as in real life…you sift through things and keep what you want.

  • Hmm. I have thought about this before. On one hand it is good to have a mass notification system. On the other, so many people abuse it.

  • #3 totally debated the socks off in this round. Unquestionably. That was some fierce statement-making… I was impressed.
    #14 bounced back at the end, but the overall round would have to go to #3 for me.

    ~V

  • I vote for #14.

  • I think both opening statements where pretty drap, but the rebuttals was where things went down. I go for # 3

  • Hmm, I didn’t really care for either of them. But if I had to choose one, I would choose 14 based on their rebuttal.

  • 3 wins it for me, because of this statement: “The fact that mass messaging engenders drama is a stronger point for MM reform than against it.” 

    Using the other person’s argument against them warrants a vote. :)

  • I’m on neutral on this matter. Both made good points.

  • maybe i am the oddball here, but since i so seldom get messages (except those repeatedly annoying invitations to take a survey) i do not check my messages very regularly. eventually, i do look at them, though…

  • 3.

  • So how do you mass message??? I would only do it if I was going out of town or having major surgery so people would know why I had not been around.

  • # 3, by a slim margin….14 did a strong argument, but just missed it this time.

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